do you expect during the new obama term a different approach with regard to the oar? we understand that everything we do from here toward caracas could be, could backfire, you know? but in the context of the oas where there's collective -- [inaudible] to preserve free speech, fundamental principles of separation of powers, given the situation in venezuela are you, are you expecting something different for these new four years, the term of the administration of president obama? >> see, this is the real reason why i called on jose miguel because he just articulated a question that i couldn't quite articulate but was precisely -- >> let me answer as bluntly and quickly as possible, and i'll invite my panelists to join in. first of all, the oas is a victim, and jose -- [inaudible] sosa is the beneficiary of the oas' growing irrelevance. the oas has declined in stature and importance, and jose miguel has been less open to observation and criticism because it's becoming less and less relevant. i think it's difficult. i honestly don't know how you turn that corner to make th